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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:39 pm

666 is almost there, just Cosworth cams, clearances and the final build

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666 has now got a sister and they are in love WR1 vs P1 :oops:

2.5-3.0 bar if they can so no pressure then


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JDM starter heads

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Dye crack testing

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Roughed up ports

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Anti pre-ignition curvy corners

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14mm studs to keep it in

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Supertech valves to get it out

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Finished specimens


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No porting please

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Just needing to fit these bad boys after they are de-burred polished

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Found Rocko's new boost gauge as well
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Postby Steveyk » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:24 pm

Forgive me for asking, but why aren't the ports polished, whats the thinking behind that?
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Postby Megaman » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:27 pm

I cant wait for EngineSpecialists to finish your engine Rocko, that way he will have the skills needed and have secured adequate supplier discount deals to be able to offer me a bullett proof engine for my 2k budget :lol
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Postby CAVEMAN » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:00 am

Steveyk wrote:Forgive me for asking, but why aren't the ports polished, whats the thinking behind that?


Not quite sure if this is applicable to the specific reasoning behind this build or not, but I think it is something to do with keeping the fuel atoms suspended in the air mixture. An old motorcycle racing friend of mine who worked for BAE did some research into this many years ago and went from perfectly polished to slightly roughed up.

If the port walls are perfectly polished then you will get a far smoother air flow, however the mixture has a tendancy to seperate in the boundary layer and fuel sticks (for want of a better word) to the side, making the overall mixture lean.

The tiny surface imperfections disrupt the boundary layer and prevent a pure laminar flow keeping the fuel nicely suspended for combustion.
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Postby Steveyk » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:15 pm

CAVEMAN wrote:
Steveyk wrote:Forgive me for asking, but why aren't the ports polished, whats the thinking behind that?


Not quite sure if this is applicable to the specific reasoning behind this build or not, but I think it is something to do with keeping the fuel atoms suspended in the air mixture. An old motorcycle racing friend of mine who worked for BAE did some research into this many years ago and went from perfectly polished to slightly roughed up.

If the port walls are perfectly polished then you will get a far smoother air flow, however the mixture has a tendancy to seperate in the boundary layer and fuel sticks (for want of a better word) to the side, making the overall mixture lean.

The tiny surface imperfections disrupt the boundary layer and prevent a pure laminar flow keeping the fuel nicely suspended for combustion.


Er, yeah, that's what I thought! :?
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Postby rocko » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:44 pm

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Steveyk wrote:Forgive me for asking, but why aren't the ports polished, whats the thinking behind that?


Not quite sure if this is applicable to the specific reasoning behind this build or not, but I think it is something to do with keeping the fuel atoms suspended in the air mixture. An old motorcycle racing friend of mine who worked for BAE did some research into this many years ago and went from perfectly polished to slightly roughed up.

If the port walls are perfectly polished then you will get a far smoother air flow, however the mixture has a tendancy to seperate in the boundary layer and fuel sticks (for want of a better word) to the side, making the overall mixture lean.

The tiny surface imperfections disrupt the boundary layer and prevent a pure laminar flow keeping the fuel nicely suspended for combustion.



Fair play Caveman .. I knew some one would hit the nail on the head ..

Nick from advanced Told me about this in the week as i asked the same question ...

All rough'd up Just like the Birds around my end ... but PASTY loves Em
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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:19 pm

Megaman wrote:I cant wait for EngineSpecialists to finish your engine Rocko, that way he will have the skills needed and have secured adequate supplier discount deals to be able to offer me a bullett proof engine for my 2k budget :lol
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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:38 pm

rocko wrote:
CAVEMAN wrote:
Steveyk wrote:Forgive me for asking, but why aren't the ports polished, whats the thinking behind that?


Not quite sure if this is applicable to the specific reasoning behind this build or not, but I think it is something to do with keeping the fuel atoms suspended in the air mixture. An old motorcycle racing friend of mine who worked for BAE did some research into this many years ago and went from perfectly polished to slightly roughed up.

If the port walls are perfectly polished then you will get a far smoother air flow, however the mixture has a tendancy to seperate in the boundary layer and fuel sticks (for want of a better word) to the side, making the overall mixture lean.

The tiny surface imperfections disrupt the boundary layer and prevent a pure laminar flow keeping the fuel nicely suspended for combustion.



Fair play Caveman .. I knew some one would hit the nail on the head ..

Nick from advanced Told me about this in the week as i asked the same question ...

All rough'd up Just like the Birds around my end ... but PASTY loves Em
Caveman has it in one :D Keeping the fuel in the airstream so it does not seperate and cause areas of weak/rich mixture, can allow a better burn and more ignition timing before detonation becomes a problem. The nett result also means that the fuel burn speed is more stable and therefore the cylinder bmep is higher so more power for longer.

The problem with high boost is that the flame travel speed will slow down (more too burn) so so we need to keep things nicely mixed up. Don't know if your birds are like this as well Rocko

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Postby Megaman » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:28 pm

EngineSpecialists wrote:
Megaman wrote:I cant wait for EngineSpecialists to finish your engine Rocko, that way he will have the skills needed and have secured adequate supplier discount deals to be able to offer me a bullett proof engine for my 2k budget :lol
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:wink: Impressed with your work so far mate, still working on the missus to give me the go ahead but no joy as yet :roll: :lol:
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Postby Chris 280 » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:29 pm

youll wear her down in the end mate :lol:
it is better to have had a wr1 and lost it than never to have one at all.
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Postby Cozzy 481 » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:06 pm

Caveman you stole my thunder....thats what i was gonna say!!!
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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:36 pm

Megaman wrote:
EngineSpecialists wrote:
Megaman wrote:I cant wait for EngineSpecialists to finish your engine Rocko, that way he will have the skills needed and have secured adequate supplier discount deals to be able to offer me a bullett proof engine for my 2k budget :lol
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:wink: Impressed with your work so far mate, still working on the missus to give me the go ahead but no joy as yet :roll: :lol:
I don't know but maybe you need to give her something like for like...something with a bit of grunt. Ask Rocko, he may have a few ideas :lol:
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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:04 pm

666 so far this week, next week will be final assembly

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De-burred and polished Cosworth cams ready to install

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Closeup inlet and exhaust pair

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New age stronger shimless buckets after polishing to prevent cam/bucket premature wear (top pair)

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Final valve seat and port integrity check before final head assembly

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Camshafts fitted and clearances set 8 thou 12 thou

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Both heads finished and ready to be fitted to the 666 short motor

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14/14mm head studs and 0.6mm head gaskets that have been reamed to take the 14mm studs but then separated to their 3 layers to allow de-burring and cleaning before fitting

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Studs and reamed dowels fitted to the short motor


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Head gaskets on and now for the cylinder heads next week
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Postby CAVEMAN » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:57 pm

Without all the pics mate, you'd of been done by now!!

Bloody glad your not though, great work and even better that you have shared!!
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Postby Chris 280 » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:21 pm

,great thread mate,pictures say a thousnd words,well 666 words :lol:
it is better to have had a wr1 and lost it than never to have one at all.
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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:15 pm

CAVEMAN wrote:Without all the pics mate, you'd of been done by now!!

Bloody glad your not though, great work and even better that you have shared!!
I agree with the time it has taken but as you say, sometimes it is good to share and thanks for your great comments by the way 8)
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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:40 pm

Chris 280 wrote:,great thread mate,pictures say a thousnd words,well 666 words :lol:
Talking of pictures!

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The heads are now on, the cams are well lubed and we will be saying nitey nite to them for quite some time I hope when the cam covers are fitted tomorrow
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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:08 pm

I think this needs a mention. Castle Combe had a track day (open pitlane) on Tuesday that was organised by Apex Track Trackdays. I asked Rocko if he would be interested in coming down for the day to show off his WR1. He said if work permits then he would, what a gent.
He found the time to come cross country and did as he said but not only that, he also took a number of people (they were queuing up for it) for a couple of laps around the track including myself. We all agreed that his WR1 has incredible performance but also just as impressive was the handling and the way it just stuck to the track. A real super car for the road and he can drive it too.
Anyway, I want to say a massive thanks to Chris for taking the time to do this and below are a few pics that one of the BBS members took. He too seemed to love it as well.

The new 666 improved version is going to be on another planet


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Postby Autotecnica » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:41 am

hi nick, what's the cam duration on those cosworth cams?
i'm lookin for some cams to fit 2.5 avcs heads(hawkeye), need to be really wild to pump enough air with a gt42-35. i've already got the oversize cosworth valves.
any ideas? thanks adam
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Postby rocko » Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:43 pm

Well worth 222 mile round trip to Blow the Cobwebs out off her ...

And she never missed a beat thanks to Nick.." Legend" For Building my 2.1 stoker .. Ill miss her .. Or Will I lol


My favorite corner of the day is Folly as its Flat out 5th .. And Old Paddock Bend as its a Mint coner if you get it right out of the esses


Thanks for the Invite ..
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Postby Micktype WR1 » Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:54 pm

Well done Rocko !

I guess that if you weren't before, you are NOW a member of BBS !
My WR1 has its history down there with it's previous owner. Yours takes the mantle !
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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:13 pm

Autotecnica wrote:hi nick, what's the cam duration on those cosworth cams?
i'm lookin for some cams to fit 2.5 avcs heads(hawkeye), need to be really wild to pump enough air with a gt42-35. i've already got the oversize cosworth valves.
any ideas? thanks adam
Hi Adam, hope things are good. Kelford do a wild cam for this and I had some good feedback from a customer apart from a stupidly bad idle problem because of the low manifold vacuum, this also led to fouled plugs on occasions. They have an 11.55mm inlet valve lift but do have a slappy flank which will be noisey on the valve clearance. The spec is below:-

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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:45 pm

rocko wrote:Well worth 222 mile round trip to Blow the Cobwebs out off her ...

And she never missed a beat thanks to Nick.." Legend" For Building my 2.1 stoker .. Ill miss her .. Or Will I lol


My favorite corner of the day is Folly as its Flat out 5th .. And Old Paddock Bend as its a Mint coner if you get it right out of the esses


Thanks for the Invite ..
She will have plenty of cobwebs and dust soon and I will organise for you to clean your own car so you don't feel left out...again :roll:

You could go back up Combe after and see if Folly still works flat in 5th. Left side of the car says it wont. lol
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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:10 pm

64 hours later from the start brings us to today and almost there :stupid:

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Just the special Rocko pink timing belt etc and ready for dressing :P
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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:41 pm

She is now finished pink and powdered up ready to go in

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Today is the day where the Rocko WR1 666 beast officially meets it's new powerplant and AdvancedAutomotives.com will be her home for a short time where we will remove her existing 615bhp heart and pass it on to her new victim, a P1 wanting the same thrills.But frst we had to remove our old skool projects to make way for the beast.


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X Factor starts here.. 8)

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd3 ... =slideshow
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Postby Matty WR1 » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:25 pm

Such a great read :)


Hope to see you at rallyday next month :D
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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:08 pm

Matty WR1 wrote:Such a great read :)


Hope to see you at rallyday next month :D
I will be at Rally day on the Bath and Bristol Scooby stand but not sure if we can get Rocko finished in time for an appearance.

Rally Day is an awesome day if the weather is good :D
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Postby Matty WR1 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:24 pm

I'll pop by and say hello :)

I'm on the SIDC stand myself :)
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Postby Advanced Automotives.com » Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:31 pm

Matty WR1 wrote:I'll pop by and say hello :)

I'm on the SIDC stand myself :)
I look forward to it and I will pop over to the SIDC just incase we get lost in the crowd.
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Postby Matty WR1 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:34 pm

Pop over early dude, I'm the muffin man and will have team breakfasts :)
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