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Postby Azyman » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:02 pm

hi whats the best anti roll bars for the WR1

or some suggestions on what ones you lot have on :D
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Postby jd » Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:37 am

Whiteline 22mm front 24mm adjustable rear
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Postby John Mc » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:05 am

jd wrote:Whiteline 22mm front 24mm adjustable rear


Ditto... just had them fitted 2 weeks ago. Make a nice difference to the car IMO... more predictable on the limits although the limits appear slightly reduced (if that makes sense)??
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Postby WR1 Bro » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:25 am

John Mc Tiddler (Dogging Expert) wrote:
jd wrote:Whiteline 22mm front 24mm adjustable rear


Ditto... just had them fitted 2 weeks ago. Make a nice difference to the car IMO... more predictable on the limits although the limits appear slightly reduced (if that makes sense)??


I understand what you are saying. However, I have driven with more anger since the rollbars were fitted because I feel more confident in knowing my limit.

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Postby John Mc » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:36 pm

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John Mc Tiddler (Dogging Expert) wrote:
jd wrote:Whiteline 22mm front 24mm adjustable rear


Ditto... just had them fitted 2 weeks ago. Make a nice difference to the car IMO... more predictable on the limits although the limits appear slightly reduced (if that makes sense)??


I understand what you are saying. However, I have driven with more anger since the rollbars were fitted because I feel more confident in knowing my limit.

Cat'n'Fiddle again this evening for a stretch of the legs!!


Agreed... you can find your limits more predictably before they find you!!

You going to the pub or just for a blast along the road?
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Postby WR1 Bro » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:50 pm

John Mc Tiddler (Dogging Expert) wrote:
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John Mc Tiddler (Dogging Expert) wrote:
jd wrote:Whiteline 22mm front 24mm adjustable rear


Ditto... just had them fitted 2 weeks ago. Make a nice difference to the car IMO... more predictable on the limits although the limits appear slightly reduced (if that makes sense)??


I understand what you are saying. However, I have driven with more anger since the rollbars were fitted because I feel more confident in knowing my limit.

Cat'n'Fiddle again this evening for a stretch of the legs!!


Agreed... you can find your limits more predictably before they find you!!

You going to the pub or just for a blast along the road?


Just for a blast... Football on this evening should ensure nice quiet roads...
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Postby Azyman » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:16 pm

jd wrote:Whiteline 22mm front 24mm adjustable rear


where is the best/cheapest place to order them from please?
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Postby Chris B » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:35 pm

Hi Geoff,the paint on the Whiteline roll-bars is rubbish,Olly is having some roll-bars done by Eibech which look very nice.have a word with him before you buy.
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Re: HI

Postby Azyman » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:39 pm

Chris B wrote:Hi Geoff,the paint on the Whiteline roll-bars is rubbish,Olly is having some roll-bars done by Eibech which look very nice.have a word with him before you buy.
Chris


will do
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Postby jd » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:06 am

Azyman wrote:
jd wrote:Whiteline 22mm front 24mm adjustable rear


where is the best/cheapest place to order them from please?


Shop around, I bought mine from Powerstation.
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Postby Gee Wr1 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:29 pm

For Whiteline stuff get in touch with Geo who i just told to join the site, he registered under the user name "gp motorsport"

This is the man to speak to for anything Whiteline related be it advice or sales.

He's a really nice bloke who'll help you out :D Met him at the McRae stages rally last year & had a good blether with him.
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Re: Anti role bars

Postby gp motorsport » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:20 pm

Azyman wrote:hi whats the best anti roll bars for the WR1

or some suggestions on what ones you lot have on :D

hi there hope you dont mind me answering your question
22mm front abs with alloy klc 32 drop links for alloy arms
24mm rear adjustable bar with klc 26 rear drop links
complimented by an anti lift kit and if lowered or coilovers to get the roll centre back, fit a roll centre adjusting kit kca 313
its all about front grip to cure the dreaded understeer
you want loads of caster on the front suspension and medium camber
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Postby Megaman » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:48 pm

Its maybe worth adding that the more you tweak the caster/camber/toe etc... the greater the tyre wear... changing these settings too much on a mates impreza made his tyres last 5-6k from 11-12k so a fair difference using same branded tyres...
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Postby gp motorsport » Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:46 am

[quote="Megaman"]Its maybe worth adding that the more you tweak the caster/camber/toe etc... the greater the tyre wear... changing these settings too much on a mates impreza made his tyres last 5-6k from 11-12k so a fair difference using same branded tyres...[/

too much camber will wear tyres out quickly ,for a road car you have to decide between handling and tyre performance
so what you need imho is greater caster slightly more camber than o/e and properly toe settings
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Postby Megaman » Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:25 am

Here are the settings my local garage gave me. What would you recommend the best setup is for a road car to have the best compromise between handling and tyre wear?

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Postby Ferret WR1 » Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:02 pm

Megaman, that's an interesting post, I will check these settings against my last geo.
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Postby CAVEMAN » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:56 am

We need a definitive set up on these for sure.

Thats the third post I have seen with geo settings and they are all different.

Even the Subaru Owners Manual is different, but this would be the regular Sti I presume.

Front and Rear Toe = 0
Front Camber = -0degs 25secs
Rear Camber = -1degs 30 secs
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Postby Megaman » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:15 pm

Yer - its a mine field for us guys who just want the car to handle well and not shred tyres within 2000 miles... :?
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Postby WR 1mposter » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:57 pm

CAVEMAN wrote:We need a definitive set up on these for sure.

Thats the third post I have seen with geo settings and they are all different.

Even the Subaru Owners Manual is different, but this would be the regular Sti I presume.

Front and Rear Toe = 0
Front Camber = -0degs 25secs
Rear Camber = -1degs 30 secs


Regular STI settings for sure, but on the service book there should be a sticker stating prodrive lowering sprinngs fitted..admit this may be of use to subaru dealers only ....

otherwise ring zen or rcm for what the recommend for fast road, you wont get a disimilar answer
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Postby WR 1mposter » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:58 pm

Megaman wrote:Yer - its a mine field for us guys who just want the car to handle well and not shred tyres within 2000 miles... :?


Exe tc settings tyres lasted 15 k's and stil had 2/3 k's left
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Postby Megaman » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:19 pm

Now i have uprated my anti roll bars (rear set on medium).. and added strut braces front and back... do i need to alter car geometry in order to stop the back end kicking out quite as easily and if so what do you recommend?
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Postby WR 1mposter » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:28 pm

Megaman wrote:Now i have uprated my anti roll bars (rear set on medium).. and added strut braces front and back... do i need to alter car geometry in order to stop the back end kicking out quite as easily and if so what do you recommend?


Mega have you hae ALK fitted has well ?
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Postby WR1 Bro » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:29 pm

Megaman wrote:Now i have uprated my anti roll bars (rear set on medium).. and added strut braces front and back... do i need to alter car geometry in order to stop the back end kicking out quite as easily and if so what do you recommend?


I never had this problem and my rear ARB was always on the firm setting. If we meet soon I want a passenger ride to see how you drive. I fully admit I drive like a girl... Girl enough to see Spike constantly trying to hit the passenger brake pedal.
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Postby WR 1mposter » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:42 pm

WR1 Bro wrote:
Megaman wrote:Now i have uprated my anti roll bars (rear set on medium).. and added strut braces front and back... do i need to alter car geometry in order to stop the back end kicking out quite as easily and if so what do you recommend?


I never had this problem and my rear ARB was always on the firm setting. If we meet soon I want a passenger ride to see how you drive. I fully admit I drive like a girl... Girl enough to see Spike constantly trying to hit the passenger brake pedal.


Yes agree it's all about the driver, as female passenger naggs on and driver :lol: goes strait on round corner they soon shut up :roll:
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Postby Megaman » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:49 pm

oh im sure it is my driving style - im used to FWDs after all...

no alk fitted mate no just the strut brace front and rear and the arbs...

im willing to take u on the section of road where it happens bro if u like...

i might try and test the diff on manual too to see if forcing it to about 70/30 split helps things...
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Postby WR1 Bro » Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:28 am

I roll my diff all the way back and then push it forward one.
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