Defi Gauges

by JP » Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:55 pm

stijoy wrote:dont worry mate, this lot on here twist everything

more liked these lot r twisted.... :lol:

by **stijoy** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:00 pm

JP WR1 wrote:
stijoy wrote:dont worry mate, this lot on here twist everything

more liked these lot r twisted....

u have hit the nail on the head there mate :wink:

by **WR1 Bro** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:09 pm

stijoy wrote:
JP WR1 wrote:
stijoy wrote:dont worry mate, this lot on here twist everything

more liked these lot r twisted....

u have hit the nail on the head there mate

I agree with Pops on this score. Deep down I know what you think about me with hearing the rumours of what you say!

:toofunny:

by **SPIKE LIKE MIKE** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:24 pm

JP WR1 wrote:
stijoy wrote:dont worry mate, this lot on here twist everything

more liked these lot r twisted....

and the other half are "bent :gay:

"

by **WR 1mposter** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:01 am

WR1 Bro wrote:
JP WR1 wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:I will check this information out with my mate Pasty. He has shown you to talk bollocks on a couple of occasions recently.

Can someone pls tell me who is Pasty?

Pasty is the bloke you don't like.

WTF have i done to upset JP.....

I suppose its my fault now, that he vanished for a few weeks :roll:

by **WR 1mposter** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:14 am

marky mark wrote:I am not sure if thats a good thing or not Bro. The only thing stopping me snipping your brake pipes would be the thought of your lovely wife and beautiful son.

Most people who put them in sandwich plates, rather conveniently also supply the sandwich plates as well

My oil temp and pressure are attached to the sandwhich plate, but I did'nt buy the defi's from the people I got the S/P from !

I may be mistaken but do not "defi" also do a S/P and do they not also recommend using it !......

Why if it's going to give a false reading !
Which inturn would not be good for the so called being the most accurate/best gauges you can buy !

I not saying your wrong Mark...more than likely your right :wink:

But these so called companies that spend thousands on development,
to be better than there rivals, but then develop something that does not do what it says on the tin

by **WR 1mposter** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:17 am

marky mark wrote:Oh well, sounds like they did a great job. wired up wrong and 2 out of the 3 sensors wrong.

The critical part (as far as oil temps are concerned) is at the big ends. Putting the temp sensor either in a sandwich plate or even worse the sump plug is not fantastic. they are exposed to the wind a little etc and measure the oil where its at its coolest.

In the main gallery you will measure pretty much what the crank/big ends see.

Think of it the same as putting your water temp sensor in the radiator. stupid idea. thats why the water temp sensor on a scoob is in the crossover pipe under the inlet manifold on the top of the engine - so it sees exactly what the engine is seeing temp wise.

Putting the boost sensor directly into the inlet manifold is fine.

Next time i'm passing you way can you refit mine

As you know fitted myself, buy still have not tided up the sensor wires :roll:

I pay you in beer.....few pints should do
ain't that right Bro :lol:

by **marky mark** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:55 am

Sorry Martin,

Its well known - not to mention fairly obvious engineering principle - that it shoud measure at the place where the oil is hottest.

The pump and filter area is next in the oil feed system from the sump. The sump is thin steel hanging out in the air a bit (deliberately to aid cooling) so its impossible to argue that measuring it there is correct. It wont be a million miles off for sure (it's unquantifiable)

Measuring from the main gallery, where the oil is subject to heat soak through the cases etc, and closest to the pistons and crank - where the oil is actually doing a job - is the way to go.

The oil in the sump/filter area is doing nothing lubrication wise, why would you want to measure it there?

I dont know if Defi sell sandwich plates TBH. They are useful for fiting an oil cooler etc. And as i have said before any manufacturer will sell anything if there is enough people to buy.

The adaptor to fit it into the gallery is 5 or 10 quid, a sandwich plate is a lot more.

Without wishing to pi$$ on your fire or make me sound even more up myself than i actually am :wink:

, I am heavily involved in the design of performance engines. This stuff is not subaru related, its just simple engineering practice.

by **marky mark** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:41 am

Thinking about it even more, you may have noticed that you attach your sandwich plate directly to the modine.

The modine provides oil cooling via the water system to which it is directly attached too, just downstream of the radiator in the loop.

So the coolest water in the whole sytem is used to try and keep a curb on the oil temps, right at the point where you are measuring.

Oil modine is shown in this pics of my engine.
Its the bronze thing that the filter screws into with the pipes going across to the water pump.

by **WR1 Bro** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:23 am

Anymore pics... I've never seen an engine other than from the top!

by **marky mark** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:28 am

Feck me yes i have loads. Have you not seen my project thread on P1woc? 40 odd pages detailing rebuild and loads of internal pics etc.

by **marky mark** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:32 am

Heres a pic i am sure you will comment on Bro! :lol:

by **marky mark** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:34 am

My run around while car was off road!

by **WR1 Bro** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:35 am

marky mark wrote:Feck me yes i have loads. Have you not seen my project thread on P1woc? 40 odd pages detailing rebuild and loads of internal pics etc.

LINK

by **WR1 Bro** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:36 am

Yabba dabba do time..... I take it you are finally willing to admit that the standard P1 was short of power!

:toofunny:

by **WR1 Bro** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:37 am

Do those carbon effect headlight trims come as standard... or is that your Chav addition?

by **WR1 Bro** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:38 am

marky mark wrote:

I can't comment on cars like this as I wouldn't been seen dead near one. You must have looked special!

by **stijoy** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:06 am

WR1 Bro wrote:

Yabba dabba do time..... I take it you are finally willing to admit that the standard P1 was short of power!

at least you can fit in there mark, unlike a few on here :toofunny:

by **WR1 Bro** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:14 am

stijoy wrote:at least you can fit in there mark, unlike a few on here

You are really trying to set yourself up for a beasting at Xmas party.

:toofunny:

Bring it on!

by **stijoy** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:17 am

WR1 Bro wrote:
stijoy wrote:at least you can fit in there mark, unlike a few on here

You are really trying to set yourself up for a beasting at Xmas party.

Bring it on!

and do you think i could get in there stu :rofl:

and as the comment stated A FEW :mrgreen:

by **WR1 Bro** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:20 am

No need to explain Pops... You comment was SIMPLE and clear, as per usual!

by **marky mark** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:06 am

I admit the headlamp protectors are not pukka. I could not find any plain ones.

Heres the link Bro, its a long read im afraid!

http://p1woc.co.uk/postnuke/index.php?n ... pic&t=7364

by **The Swede** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:37 am

marky mark wrote:Heres a pic i am sure you will comment on Bro!

Brilliant pic, Mark !

Talking about a car with 1 brake donkey power ! :rofl:

by **WR1 Bro** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:43 am

Torrekens wrote:
marky mark wrote:Heres a pic i am sure you will comment on Bro!

Brilliant pic, Mark !

Talking about a car with 1 brake donkey power !

SO true....

by **marky mark** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:49 am

It was taking and posted without my knowledge by my Mischevious wife who found the whole thing very amusing :lol:

by **WR1 Bro** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:56 am

marky mark wrote:It was taking and posted without my knowledge by my Mischevious wife who found the whole thing very amusing

Seems we know who got all the personality in that relationship!!

by JP » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:44 pm

WR 1mpostor (aka number 1 moderator) wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:
JP WR1 wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:I will check this information out with my mate Pasty. He has shown you to talk bollocks on a couple of occasions recently.

Can someone pls tell me who is Pasty?

Pasty is the bloke you don't like.

WTF have i done to upset JP.....

I suppose its my fault now, that he vanished for a few weeks

by **SPIKE LIKE MIKE** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:17 pm

[quote="WR1 Bro"]

I gay gimp power transverse :gay:

engine!!

by **WR 1mposter** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:12 am

marky mark wrote:Sorry Martin,

Its well known - not to mention fairly obvious engineering principle - that it shoud measure at the place where the oil is hottest.

The pump and filter area is next in the oil feed system from the sump. The sump is thin steel hanging out in the air a bit (deliberately to aid cooling) so its impossible to argue that measuring it there is correct. It wont be a million miles off for sure (it's unquantifiable)

Measuring from the main gallery, where the oil is subject to heat soak through the cases etc, and closest to the pistons and crank - where the oil is actually doing a job - is the way to go.

The oil in the sump/filter area is doing nothing lubrication wise, why would you want to measure it there?

I dont know if Defi sell sandwich plates TBH. They are useful for fiting an oil cooler etc. And as i have said before any manufacturer will sell anything if there is enough people to buy.

The adaptor to fit it into the gallery is 5 or 10 quid, a sandwich plate is a lot more.

Without wishing to pi$$ on your fire or make me sound even more up myself than i actually am , I am heavily involved in the design of performance engines. This stuff is not subaru related, its just simple engineering practice.

Not being one to make you sound even more up your arse than you already are :shock:

I take most seriously on what you have to say and believe your techy ability is way above mine and most on here :lol:

But like most on here we do buy with out techy knowledge :roll:

and questioning your superior techy knowledge, without doubt will prevent some poor unsuspecting ass like jp :lol:

buying something in the future, that is not required

So hope you dont mind me questioning you,and sometimes stating the obvious to make you explain things more so than we know !

by **WR 1mposter** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:13 am

JP WR1 wrote:
WR 1mpostor (aka number 1 moderator) wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:
JP WR1 wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:I will check this information out with my mate Pasty. He has shown you to talk bollocks on a couple of occasions recently.

Can someone pls tell me who is Pasty?

Pasty is the bloke you don't like.

WTF have i done to upset JP.....

I suppose its my fault now, that he vanished for a few weeks

This is for you JP :finger:

your only worth the one :lol:


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