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Audi RS4 saloon
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BMW M3 saloon (current model)
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Porsche 911 (997) C2 S
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Audi R8
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Postby The Swede » Wed May 27, 2009 9:33 pm

Purely hypothetical, you have a Merc S63 AMG already at home providing fast and comfortable transport.
You are now looking for something different for the weekends but you want it to be driveable by your girlfriend too.

Some contenders. (none of them to be bought new and all available for similar money)(well, kinda similar-ish money so you'd be considering any of them)

How do you think about these?

Any alternatives?

Note: pointless to suggest Monaro's or other bulky things that don't stick to the road. You want something that is razorsharp.
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Postby bbigman2000 » Wed May 27, 2009 9:39 pm

Swede,

This may surprise you, and it also surprises me a little BUT having driven them all.

And despite it not having the power quoted by the manufacturer.

I would without doubt take the RS4 it is a fantastic looking, fantastically built car, with lovely seats, absolutley hands down thats your one.

P.s its the best all round driver of the four.
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Postby The Swede » Wed May 27, 2009 9:53 pm

bbigman2000 wrote:Swede,

This may surprise you, and it also surprises me a little BUT having driven them all.

And despite it not having the power quoted by the manufacturer.

I would without doubt take the RS4 it is a fantastic looking, fantastically built car, with lovely seats, absolutley hands down thats your one.

P.s its the best all round driver of the four.


Thanks. When you say 'all round driver', what do you mean?

The person here would normally consider the S63 as his 'all rounder' and look for his other car to be the more focussed one. Something that has a sense of 'event' when you drive it.

Have you ever had a 911 and an R8 ?? :shock:
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Postby WR 1mposter » Wed May 27, 2009 10:23 pm

Personally 1st choice would be the M3,just think they look cool in white, then the Beetle (dan laughs at me), then either of the 2 audi's, I may be wrong but don't audis use a lot of oil, and i could'nt be arsed to check all the time :lol: :lol: :lol: although the r8 sound wicked 8) ....but if I could only afford one :roll:
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Postby The Swede » Wed May 27, 2009 10:30 pm

WR 1mpostor (aka number 1 moderator) wrote:Personally 1st choice would be the M3,just think they look cool in white, then the Beetle (dan laughs at me), then either of the 2 audi's, I may be wrong but don't audis use a lot of oil, and i could'nt be arsed to check all the time :lol: :lol: :lol: although the r8 sound wicked 8) ....but if I could only afford one :roll:


Booked a drive with the R8 for Saturday afternoon. Will keep you posted :wink:
Hoping to get behind the wheel of the M3 soon too.
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Postby Foley » Thu May 28, 2009 5:43 am

RS4 for me,
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Postby WR1 Bro » Thu May 28, 2009 7:18 am

Wife's RS4 used a lot of oil when the it was new. Something like a litre per 1k miles. Last time I checked it, it need 1/4 litre after 2kmiles.

R8 or 911 would be my choice give the AMG is already on the drive. But first of all, I'd pay for an operation to have my eyes opened?
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Postby bbigman2000 » Thu May 28, 2009 7:47 am

Swede,

No I havent owned an R8, by all rounder I mean all weathers, and the RS4 is combined the best at everything, it has the looks, the sound, the toys, the safety, performance and 4 doors.

The New M3 uses oil aswell at appx the same rate as Bro suggests, so does the R8 and the RS4, it appears to be the norm with them.

Plus if you were going to get an R8 you would want the V10 version, the 4.2 just isnt enough ummphh for a car that looks like it should do 200mph.
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Postby WR1 Bro » Thu May 28, 2009 8:23 am

bbigman2000 wrote:Plus if you were going to get an R8 you would want the V10 version, the 4.2 just isnt enough ummphh for a car that looks like it should do 200mph.


Defo agree with this statement.
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Postby John Mc » Thu May 28, 2009 8:33 am

WR1 Bro wrote:Wife's RS4 used a lot of oil when the it was new. Something like a litre per 1k miles. Last time I checked it, it need 1/4 litre after 2kmiles.

R8 or 911 would be my choice give the AMG is already on the drive. But first of all, I'd pay for an operation to have my eyes opened?


My M3 used a litre every 1500kms, BMW said this was about right.... :?
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Postby The Swede » Thu May 28, 2009 8:34 am

Did either of you drive the R8? Please share the experience :thumb:

I think Dan did but cannot recall what he thought.

The R8 V10 is still very expensive and really a step above the other cars. If I pay 100K or nearly for a car, I would start thinking towards an Italian car, not an Audi.

Actually, I don't find the 911 S powerful either. It's a fast car, but nothing different to an RS4 or an M3 and slower than the Evo.
However, it really drives very well. Very light, precise and when you open it up and hear the scream of the flat six, you really have the feeling you drive something special.
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Postby bbigman2000 » Thu May 28, 2009 9:27 am

I've driven them all swede, it was a while ago in the R8 though, the first thing I can tell you is that I could hardly squeeze into it, the second thing is that it was not as fast as I had hoped it would be, very sharp on the steering though I felt, despite people telling me they thought it was numb and had no steering feel, not sure where they got that from.

I hate 911's so no point in asking me about those, I've actually never been as underwhelmed as when I drove a GT3, No sense of speed, miserable sounding thing, garish interior (mustard leather) and generally just a hair dressers hack!

M3, Yep the fastest of the 4 car's put forward, very nice bit of kit, looks good in saloon, but the powers higher up the rev range as with most M's.

It would still be the wonderful RS4 for me, despite the reality of actual dyno figures as low as 366bhp from my research many come in around 375bhp which is a lot less than Audi claim, and of course the reason why it cannot touch the bonafide 420bhp M3.
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Postby The Swede » Thu May 28, 2009 9:39 am

Nice :)

I assume I will not have many problems squeezing behind the wheel of the R8, although I do hope there is enough headroom.
Brilliant to hear it's sharp. I tend to think that you cannot cure issues with the handling but you can always somehow compensate a 'lack of power' by just braking later and pushing harder. Had plenty of practice with my box standard low power STi :lol: And with 420bhp, I assume it's all relative.
I'm actually looking forward to checking it out on Saturday :D


Did you drive the 997 or 996 GT3 ? Saw the latter at the Porsche dealer last week for sale. 2003 car, 64K ! :shock:

Drove a 911 C4S Targa last week and that was pretty dissappointing. The handling was just not precise enough and the car felt too heavy. Salesman told me after the drive it was clearly not the model that suited my driving as the Targa is much less rigid, which screws up the handling, and the weight of the Targa plus the weight of the 4WD does make a difference in performance.

I'd have loved a 911 CS, like they used to do a 968 CS. Just the basic car, no toys or anything sold at a lower price even.
The GT3 is a CS in a way but then with bits added again for track driving which kills the price and also makes it less able on normal roads, I find.

Defo need to get myself once in the new M3. Sounds an awesome machine.
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Postby bbigman2000 » Thu May 28, 2009 10:04 am

It was a 2003 Gt3 I drove bud, the owner is actually a pal of mine, he loves it, andI'd hate to think he may read this as when I drove it I had to tell him I was impressed but the reality I didnt like the engine in the rear and the front end felt light, apparently thats part of the package but it wasnt for me.

Ive driven other 911's turbo and targa, thought the turbo was pretty quick but they just arent for me, and of course when you buy a porsche, there are always so many other better porsches on the road ?
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Postby WR1 Bro » Thu May 28, 2009 10:41 am

Swede the professional tyre kicker... at least Bigman chooses a car and buys it... even if it is only for three months!!
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Postby bbigman2000 » Thu May 28, 2009 11:23 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: Told ya Bro, the M5 is staying :wink:
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Postby Bonovox » Thu May 28, 2009 11:35 am

Where's the Skoda Estelle option? :suss:
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Postby The Swede » Thu May 28, 2009 12:37 pm

WR1 Bro wrote:Swede the professional tyre kicker... at least Bigman chooses a car and buys it... even if it is only for three months!!


I do indeed test quite a few things before I buy. And unfortunately, I got to earn the money in the household myself so I can't just change cars as I feel like...
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Postby WR1 Bro » Thu May 28, 2009 12:52 pm

The Swede wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:Swede the professional tyre kicker... at least Bigman chooses a car and buys it... even if it is only for three months!!


I do indeed test quite a few things before I buy. And unfortunately, I got to earn the money in the household myself so I can't just change cars as I feel like...


You have no itention of buying a 911, RS, R etc.... You have been testing 911s and banging on about them for years... This has nothing to do with "earning" money. You just love the salesman being nice to you...
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Postby WR1 Owner! » Thu May 28, 2009 1:01 pm

S3 isnt too bad. not too expensive.. got a kick to it.

S2000 honda not to bad. may not be for you thought with it being convertable and 2 door

few maserati's around your budget.

if your going up in price always got the option of the new skyline

or worst comes to worst you could get the new focus RS

sure this choice of cars will turn a few heads :lol:
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Postby The Swede » Thu May 28, 2009 1:01 pm

WR1 Bro wrote:
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WR1 Bro wrote:Swede the professional tyre kicker... at least Bigman chooses a car and buys it... even if it is only for three months!!


I do indeed test quite a few things before I buy. And unfortunately, I got to earn the money in the household myself so I can't just change cars as I feel like...


You have no itention of buying a 911, RS, R etc.... You have been testing 911s and banging on about them for years... This has nothing to do with "earning" money. You just love the salesman being nice to you...


I ordered an RS4 long before your wife bought one, as you will remember. And I also never joked about the AMG. Unlike you I actually buy one rather than moan on a website about it.

The 911, I never came around buying one indeed as I always found a ricerocket that was more entertaining plus I had to use the car in Oulu.
That last constraint fell away now, so I can look at 2WD cars again.

No hurry at the moment. Evo comes off lease in August only. So taking the time to look around.
Just figured out that the Lexus plus the Evo is a bit of a waste as neither car really drives a lot.
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Postby John Mc » Thu May 28, 2009 1:03 pm

The Swede wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:
The Swede wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:Swede the professional tyre kicker... at least Bigman chooses a car and buys it... even if it is only for three months!!


I do indeed test quite a few things before I buy. And unfortunately, I got to earn the money in the household myself so I can't just change cars as I feel like...


You have no itention of buying a 911, RS, R etc.... You have been testing 911s and banging on about them for years... This has nothing to do with "earning" money. You just love the salesman being nice to you...


I ordered an RS4 long before your wife bought one, as you will remember. And I also never joked about the AMG. Unlike you I actually buy one rather than moan on a website about it.

The 911, I never came around buying one indeed as I always found a ricerocket that was more entertaining plus I had to use the car in Oulu.
That last constraint fell away now, so I can look at 2WD cars again.

No hurry at the moment. Evo comes off lease in August only. So taking the time to look around.
Just figured out that the Lexus plus the Evo is a bit of a waste as neither car really drives a lot.


I've heard that the M5 drives well Swede... :)
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Postby WR1 Bro » Thu May 28, 2009 1:11 pm

The Swede wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:
The Swede wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:Swede the professional tyre kicker... at least Bigman chooses a car and buys it... even if it is only for three months!!


I do indeed test quite a few things before I buy. And unfortunately, I got to earn the money in the household myself so I can't just change cars as I feel like...


You have no itention of buying a 911, RS, R etc.... You have been testing 911s and banging on about them for years... This has nothing to do with "earning" money. You just love the salesman being nice to you...


I ordered an RS4 long before your wife bought one, as you will remember. And I also never joked about the AMG. Unlike you I actually buy one rather than moan on a website about it.

The 911, I never came around buying one indeed as I always found a ricerocket that was more entertaining plus I had to use the car in Oulu.
That last constraint fell away now, so I can look at 2WD cars again.

No hurry at the moment. Evo comes off lease in August only. So taking the time to look around.
Just figured out that the Lexus plus the Evo is a bit of a waste as neither car really drives a lot.


I could go and order 10 cars tomorrow... all of which I could then cancel... What is your point? "I ordered a RS4 long before..." Congratulations, aren't you the Stickman legend? I don't recall moaning about a car? I recall highlighting what a waste of space tyre kicker you are??? Are we now clear...?

Backs to the 911... you so remind me of Chris... Drove it, loved it, couldn't part with the cash. Surely a man of your self proclaimed skills could driver a car on water... let alone on snow?

Here's an idea, Lexus and Evo don't get driven, lets replace them with another car.... or at least, lets fantasize...
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Postby WR1 Bro » Thu May 28, 2009 1:12 pm

John Mc Tiddler (Dogging Expert) wrote:
The Swede wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:
The Swede wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:Swede the professional tyre kicker... at least Bigman chooses a car and buys it... even if it is only for three months!!


I do indeed test quite a few things before I buy. And unfortunately, I got to earn the money in the household myself so I can't just change cars as I feel like...


You have no itention of buying a 911, RS, R etc.... You have been testing 911s and banging on about them for years... This has nothing to do with "earning" money. You just love the salesman being nice to you...


I ordered an RS4 long before your wife bought one, as you will remember. And I also never joked about the AMG. Unlike you I actually buy one rather than moan on a website about it.

The 911, I never came around buying one indeed as I always found a ricerocket that was more entertaining plus I had to use the car in Oulu.
That last constraint fell away now, so I can look at 2WD cars again.

No hurry at the moment. Evo comes off lease in August only. So taking the time to look around.
Just figured out that the Lexus plus the Evo is a bit of a waste as neither car really drives a lot.


I've heard that the M5 drives well Swede... :)


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Postby bbigman2000 » Thu May 28, 2009 1:58 pm

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Theres one for ya swede an older porker ?


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Postby POESY » Thu May 28, 2009 4:06 pm

Thats a very tricky list there swede.

I'd go for the porka for road use (and keep the meg for trackdays). My perfect garage tbh.

If it was a car for all occassions; road, track, shopping, etc then the new M3 does look like a serious peice of kit so it'd be that for me.

For looks it'd be the R8 though - in red 8)
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Postby No347 » Thu May 28, 2009 4:08 pm

Having only driven the current M3 and RS4 it would be the RS4 for me everytime. (Although I'd go for the Avant just becuase I think it looks meaner!) :thumb:
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Postby The Swede » Thu May 28, 2009 5:32 pm

No347 wrote:Having only driven the current M3 and RS4 it would be the RS4 for me everytime. (Although I'd go for the Avant just becuase I think it looks meaner!) :thumb:


Cool. What did the RS4 have the M3 V8 did not have ?
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Postby The Swede » Thu May 28, 2009 5:41 pm

WR1 Bro wrote:I could go and order 10 cars tomorrow... all of which I could then cancel... What is your point? "I ordered a RS4 long before..." Congratulations, aren't you the Stickman legend? I don't recall moaning about a car? I recall highlighting what a waste of space tyre kicker you are??? Are we now clear...?

Backs to the 911... you so remind me of Chris... Drove it, loved it, couldn't part with the cash. Surely a man of your self proclaimed skills could driver a car on water... let alone on snow?

Here's an idea, Lexus and Evo don't get driven, lets replace them with another car.... or at least, lets fantasize...


1. If you would read the other people's posts sometimes rather than be so full of your own waffle, you would know the order on the RS4 was cancelled because Audi couldn't be arsed to deliver the car. A car promised for delivery in July 2006 suddenly moved to January 2007 with no compensation or intermediate solution offered by Audi. WTF would I accept that? There are many more manufacturers making nice cars !

2. You are a fcuking moan. Never heard the fuss you had to make because I didn't wash my AMG according to the standards you think one should set.

3. Maybe Chris and myself try a few things and think twice before spending the cash because it's our own cash with parts with. I assume I am also clear on that one ?
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Postby WR1 Bro » Thu May 28, 2009 6:22 pm

The Swede wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:I could go and order 10 cars tomorrow... all of which I could then cancel... What is your point? "I ordered a RS4 long before..." Congratulations, aren't you the Stickman legend? I don't recall moaning about a car? I recall highlighting what a waste of space tyre kicker you are??? Are we now clear...?

Backs to the 911... you so remind me of Chris... Drove it, loved it, couldn't part with the cash. Surely a man of your self proclaimed skills could driver a car on water... let alone on snow?

Here's an idea, Lexus and Evo don't get driven, lets replace them with another car.... or at least, lets fantasize...


1. If you would read the other people's posts sometimes rather than be so full of your own waffle, you would know the order on the RS4 was cancelled because Audi couldn't be arsed to deliver the car. A car promised for delivery in July 2006 suddenly moved to January 2007 with no compensation or intermediate solution offered by Audi. WTF would I accept that? There are many more manufacturers making nice cars !

2. You are a fcuking moan. Never heard the fuss you had to make because I didn't wash my AMG according to the standards you think one should set.

3. Maybe Chris and myself try a few things and think twice before spending the cash because it's our own cash with parts with. I assume I am also clear on that one ?


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