New Cheap Runabout - Issues

[Megaman]

Hmm,

Well as you might know from my other thread I got a nice Golf V6 4motion as a cheap runabout last week. Got it serviced yesterday and on the way home low oil pressure lights came on 7 times. Kept stopping, garage even came out to top up oil but the error keeps coming on. They think previous owner put thick oil in to mask a engine problem so ive been told to expect worst case scenario will be i need to buy an 8k new engine on a car that just cost me 5k...

Car gets recovered today and will find out more over next few days...

[John Mc]

You could have got the WR1 to 400BHP for that 8k

[WR1 Bro]

Oh man, was it a private sale?

[danr55]

mate of mine bought one of these for about 4k, he had spent 1k in a matter of weeks doing things with it. happily it got written off as if had a load of other issues too.

[Megaman]

Wasnt a private sale but garage is saying sold as seen as it drove fine in the test drive. Warranty saying pre-existing faults arent covered. Have done literally just under 100 miles in it since getting it...

Gutted. Still waiting for it to be collected and tested but it doesnt look good.

Bet ive no come back on anyone for it now either.

So much for everyone saying to go for a german car as they go forever... German engineering my ass lol

[WR1 Bro]

Wasnt a private sale but garage is saying sold as seen as it drove fine in the test drive. Warranty saying pre-existing faults arent covered. Have done literally just under 100 miles in it since getting it...

Gutted. Still waiting for it to be collected and tested but it doesnt look good.

Bet ive no come back on anyone for it now either.

So much for everyone saying to go for a german car as they go forever... German engineering my ass lol

You seem to be taking it rather well. I'd be looking carefully into my rights.

[Loco2527]

http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/before ... rs/private

check out bullet point number 2. not sure if that will help

[robwils]

Get yourself to citizens advice, we had terrible problems with a car few years ago, once the garage saw the letters we sent (using templates from CA) they changed attitude completely.

You didn't pay by credit card or even a deposit by card did you by any chance ??

[CAVEMAN]

this should be covered under standard T&C's shouldn't it?

not fit for purpose and all that crap.

thats a right kick in the nuts if you can't get anything back....I would be dumping in back in the forecourt along with a big hand written sign in the window.

the very least you can do is name and shame them in the local rag, and see if they change their mind then?

[John Mc]

PUG 306 DTurbo mate... could sell you a nice one

[Foley]

Get someone to steal it, Job done

[John Mc]

Get someone to steal it, Job done

I may be able to help

[WR 1mposter]

Fec me Mega it seem's we have something else in common other than being called Martin, bad luck with cars

Hope you get it sorted !

[MaverickUK82]

BA***RDS!

I remember your other thread saying the missus hit the roof when you bought it...

...how's she taking this?

[John Mc]

BA***RDS!

I remember your other thread saying the missus hit the roof when you bought it...

...how's she taking this?

Regret to inform you that Mega has passed away in a freak "kebab" skewer accident.... I dont think Mrs Mega "understood"

[Crockel]

I would be interested in seeing how this pans out. When you bought a car trade I thought they had a fair degree of liability for three months whether faults were pre-existing or not. On the basis of not covering pre-existing faults dealers could surely wriggle out of virtually everything? Whilst I appreciate some parts might fail there and then surely in the main it results from wear and tear over a lengthy period? I am no lawyer but the terms of the warranty can't overridge your rights under the sales of goods act can it?

Also is the dealer part of a association/ motoring federation? As others have said no way would I just accept I had to replace the engine.

Lastly you say the fault only started after you had the car serviced and they keep topping it up with oil? I assume its just burning the oil then and its not leaking out somewhere?

Some initial advice here by the way:

http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/before ... ars/dealer

Lee

[John Mc]

Lee,

There are a lot of things that "contracts" (in various forms) say people are supposed to do in life but you can only enforce contracts legally through the courts.

You can write as many letters as you feel you want to and get as angry as you want with people but the only way to get a judgement is through a court and this costs money.

The risk is you lose and have to pay.

However, there is another way ....

[CAVEMAN]

is that the scouser coming out in you Mc?

whatever the legal position is on this, the car was obviously not fit for sale or fit for purpose.

Crikey you can even take a 20 quid pair of jeans back for a re-fund if they are shit.

Surely several grand of metal is covered by the same consumer act!

[Crockel]

Lee,

There are a lot of things that "contracts" (in various forms) say people are supposed to do in life but you can only enforce contracts legally through the courts.

You can write as many letters as you feel you want to and get as angry as you want with people but the only way to get a judgement is through a court and this costs money.

The risk is you lose and have to pay.

However, there is another way ....

I agree that if you choose one particular path then ultimately court action might be where it all ends up.

Over the years I have had problems with all different types of services (although luckily for me buying a car wasn't one of them); even some of the nationals have tried fobbing me off to start with. Once they realise that I do understand what my rights are and I am not throwing around names of Acts I don't understand I normally get a proper hearing. In two cases over the last 25 years I was really messed around by two separate car insurance companies. Once I told them I was going to involve the Insurance Ombudsman the cases got sorted at breakneck speed (both in my favour as well ).

Bringing a case in the small claims court isn't that expensive either. I helped a friend bring a claim when he was stitched up by a builder carrying out work on his house. In that instance the builder gave back enough of the money before we went before the Courts so he settled in advance.

I think Megaman should be able to get this sorted whilst leaving patellas intact and I wish him luck.

Lee

[Foley]

Just take the scottish route and get the car nicked or take it back, Tell the salesman your going to slash him from ear hole to arse hole if you don't get a full refund

Just kidding lol

[Crockel]

Just take the scottish route and get the car nicked or take it back, Tell the salesman your going to slash him from ear hole to arse hole if you don't get a full refund

Just kidding lol

What Foley says if all else fails!

[John Mc]

Just take the scottish route and get the car nicked or take it back, Tell the salesman your going to slash him from ear hole to arse hole if you don't get a full refund

Just kidding lol

That was "my other way".... The only way these f*ckers listen

The best way is to pay some druggie £100 to arse rape the salesman.

[Crockel]

Just take the scottish route and get the car nicked or take it back, Tell the salesman your going to slash him from ear hole to arse hole if you don't get a full refund

Just kidding lol

That was "my other way".... The only way these f*ckers listen

The best way is to pay some druggie £100 to arse rape the salesman.

I must admit times are really tough at the moment........ I will do it for £80 cash. (even though I am a soft southerner).

[Foley]

Just take the scottish route and get the car nicked or take it back, Tell the salesman your going to slash him from ear hole to arse hole if you don't get a full refund

Just kidding lol

That was "my other way".... The only way these f*ckers listen

The best way is to pay some druggie £100 to arse rape the salesman.

I must admit times are really tough at the moment........ I will do it for £80 cash. (even though I am a soft southerner).

ya big southern fairy

[Crockel]

Just take the scottish route and get the car nicked or take it back, Tell the salesman your going to slash him from ear hole to arse hole if you don't get a full refund

Just kidding lol

That was "my other way".... The only way these f*ckers listen

The best way is to pay some druggie £100 to arse rape the salesman.

I must admit times are really tough at the moment........ I will do it for £80 cash. (even though I am a soft southerner).

ya big southern fairy

For 80 quid mind that's just the basic dipping the bread and slipping the ferret. I want a little extra for danger money if it turns out he has bum grapes.

[John Mc]

Just take the scottish route and get the car nicked or take it back, Tell the salesman your going to slash him from ear hole to arse hole if you don't get a full refund

Just kidding lol

That was "my other way".... The only way these f*ckers listen

The best way is to pay some druggie £100 to arse rape the salesman.

I must admit times are really tough at the moment........ I will do it for £80 cash. (even though I am a soft southerner).

ya big southern fairy

For 80 quid mind that's just the basic dipping the bread and slipping the ferret. I want a little extra for danger money if it turns out he has bum grapes.

Market rate for the grapes is 2g of white

[Megaman]

Okay well here is an update on the car. As before I had to pay £50 to get recovered to a garage I know in Halifax about 15 miles away, as the RAC would only tow me to nearest garage which was a pain in the ass. Anyway that aside, the garage took the car and put a new oil pressure sensor on the car and ran it on Saturday for 1hr on his ramps with no issues. Garage asked permission to run it for the day so i said yes. 300 yards down the road from the garage after road testing the car the light came on again about low oil pressure and it went back into the garage. Owner wanted to stick a oil pressure guage on the car but said its a big job as they have to dismantle most the car to do this so held off doing this.

Today I phoned trader where i bought the car from and told them about the issue. He was concerned but said that he has nothing to do with the car after the sale and that i need to speak to the warranty people. I said i hadnt received any warranty paperwork so he texted me a policy number 4hrs later that i can use on Monday. I need to get the garage to work with the warranty company "waranty wise" and they will work out what is covered. Problem he said is diagnostics time is excluded from warranty work so if it take 10hrs to find the failed part i have to pay that hourly rate of 35 an hour + vat.... Warranty should cover most things but its all dependant on small print etc so will find out more in a couple of days.

With regards to my rights, the dealer wont pay the recovery fees or the diagnostics fees as apparently he didnt make much on the car when he sold it. Not my problem but I dont know what i can do about it.

I was rather hoping the sensor would be faulty and that the car would be fine after changing that so now the news is setting in that the issue is serious and will cost big money to diagnose then possibly lots to fit im not impressed.

Thanks for the various advice and comments guys. Some replies to the comments...

I am not taking it very well now as its sinking in i may need a new engine quoted at 8k plus vat plus fitting by VW. Like im going to spend that on a car worth 5k...

The missus thinks i should have looked into it more carefully before i bought this car or got a mechanic to chck the car out first. However the garage owner that drove the car whilst it was with them said he couldnt find any faults as the car ticked over fine and ran fine when he drove it so I cant see there was much more I could do. the trader also doesnt ahve a rep for selling dodgy cars so not sure what else we can do.

With regards to what my rights are, Im hoping the dealer will chip in for the diagnostics fees and recovery but its doubtful i will get anything back. If the diagnosis is that the engine is knackered then i will be taking it back to them - via low loader costing 100 odd quid as its the other side of manchester. Then kicking off in person accordingly. I cant believe a car ive owned for a week can go wrong so quick without someone knowing before hand. I cant prove the trader knew and sold it under false pretences as its possible the previous owner did it when he traded it against a new nissan as the trader got it from a nissan maindealer underwritten. However im sure the trader must have some legal responsibility to the car with it failing so quickly. The dealer had cars for 1-2k, i picked one for about 5k so its not like i bought the cheapest thing he had either.

Anyway will keep you guys posted.

[Crockel]

I still think the garage are wriggling big time.

The fact that there is a fault but you need to pay for the diagnosis is total bull- the garage are just trying to avoid their responsibilities and fobbing you off.

The warranty you mention is I assume something extra you purchased when you bought the car? As mentioned above by several posters the goods have got to be fit for purpose, free of serious faults etc under the sale of Goods act- I think this is a matter for the dealer.

I wouldn't personally be willing to pay part of the repair costs- I think the dealer you bought it from is responsible for the lot.

Lee

[WR1 Bro]

I think you are being too soft mate. From now on do everything by mail and get standard letters from Citizen
Advice like someone previously suggested.

[WR1 Owner!]

my advice - and im saying this with the true yob in me -

get greenflag cover recovery level on the internet on ANY brand new car with personal cover.. should cost you about £40-50 then you and ya mrs covered in any car you drive.. dont tell them its broken down and next week when it needs to go use the service

next if it cant be fixed there and then get the car home and sell it. say the lights comes on dont know why no money to fix and flog it. even 4k let it go. take the hit theres nothing else left to say/do

3rd if your looking for a car i do know a few traders who do have some nice diesels as a run around.. for 5k can get you a fairly nice new car.

gutted for ya genuinely because me german heap of crap cost me shed loads aswell but the best thing is to just get rid and try put it behind you. wondered why i saw you in your WR1 on the way to work the other day !