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Tuscan57 wrote:nine or so cars were tested the weekend surely that explains enough....

Apart from the inconsistency between rolling road systems? Need to test somewhere else too?

Sumo wrote:So,
Ant 322.3bhp @ 6384rpm 277.4lbft @ 5372rpm
Mr Optimax 311.2bhp @ 6281rpm 290.8lbft @ 4399rpm
Sumo 308.2bhp @ 6390rpm 264.7lbft @ 5073rpm
Farls 304.5bhp @ 7038rpm 263.6lbft @ 5742rpm
Blobster 310.3bhp @ 6006rpm 277.9lbft @ 5446rpm
Dave 314.3bhp @ 6960rpm 264.3lbft @ 5927rpm
Woza 318bhp @ 6777rpm 292.4lbft @ 5222rpm

Average 312.7bhp @ 6548rpm 275.87 @ 5311rpm

As an average I would have expected to get a higher figure giving that the air was 3 or 4 degrees, so I for one are dissapointed with the figures,
What does everyone else think ??? Sumo.

I have already stated my disappointment, as Sumo said it was a cold day so the figures should have been at their better side.
The 263 / 264 lb/ft figures are nearly 20% down, put like that it sounds a lot,
Imagine getting 20% short of fuel on a tank, thats

Oh believe me mate ... I will get my point across If my results are not satisfactory. I'm not 100% sure about the legality of marketing a car and taking orders when the torque figures are drastically out but I WILL find out where people stand on this.

20% out is taking liberties.

Not a happy smurf after seeing all your results.

I mean i've done 20,000 miles in my car so maybe the engine being loosened up will produce different results.

Hopefully Mike Wood will comment on the results and give an insight as to where we stand!

WR1 Bro wrote:

Tuscan57 wrote:nine or so cars were tested the weekend surely that explains enough....

Apart from the inconsistency between rolling road systems? Need to test somewhere else too?

Stuart, this road was used last time and most people agreed it was accurate.

Jaycee wrote:

WR1 Bro wrote:

Tuscan57 wrote:nine or so cars were tested the weekend surely that explains enough....

Apart from the inconsistency between rolling road systems? Need to test somewhere else too?

Stuart, this road was used last time and most people agreed it was accurate.

Including Mr Wood.

YEp this RR was compared against Power Engineering.

Between the two there was about 1 or 2 BHP difference in the Pro Drive WR1.

[quote="Scooby Lee"]Rememeber Jaycee the formula needs to be applied at every given RPM........therefore if you have a torque curve, you should be able to 'create' the related power curve and Vice Versa!!

Here goes

As an aside to all the doom and gloom......

I followed Dave down to Norwich and back home again and I can guarantee the power difference does not show on the road.
I would've liked to have seen what happened if we'd been side by side and both nailed it, maybe we will

Scooby Lee wrote:Just a few questions I'd like to consider ('cos I wasn't there)...

What other data did they provide you and how was it measured?

What was the condition and type of each cars' tyres?

What are the rollers made from?

What DCCD-A Settings were used?

..................that should be enough homework for now!!

Couldn't you make the questions easier???

I can answer the Burger question Very Nice

Ill ask Clive Tommorrow and provide you with all the info

Might be wrong, but I am sure I have read on a BMW and or Porsche site, that either or both of these manufactures were fined for quoting incorrect power outputs. Hence the figures they now quote are conservative and owners find that power outputs are higher than that what the manufacture quotes.

These cars should 'do what it says on the tin'. May all have to get together as a collective to add weight if any action etc has to be considered.

Not had mine checked but thinking of getting it done after reading these comments.

Maybe we should all get our cars checked and then collectively turn up at Subaru HQ? Would be a fun day out if nothing else!!

Say, give everyone three months and have an agreed date in advance. Maybe get some publicity arranged too as I'm sure the papers would be interested in a few hundred upset owners turning up in convoy to Subaru HQ in search of answers.

Thoughts?

If someone would like to do a little write up with regards to the poor figures.
I would be happy to forward it to International Motors from the WR1 Owners Club.

This would then in effect be from everyone concerned.

These figures were taken on a very cold morning with very low charge temperatures.

With the high torque figure on the Spec C, it just prooves that a higher torque figure can be achieved.

All the data has been logged for each Car.

I have spoken to Clive, he is happy to email any logs to Prodrive / Subaru for them to have a look at.

Brian's WR1 had plenty of "mass" and he complained it bogged down, by your explanation, he should have had the fastest car on the planet!

Also trying to understand why ALL the wr1s were down on torque while a spec c ad sti were up on quoted figures

Same rollers same cold day same equipment same operators

Dave

A good test would be to try a standard WRX or Sti on the next event with the same boonet up approach, if this is close to the advertised bhp and torque then we have a problem, if it is low then perhaps the bonnet up idea has some credibility.
Brian, if you are going to this weekend's RR then please do a control test.
Sumo.

You beat me to it ,

I was going to suggest that to Brian

There isnt a Bench mark, what we are try to determin is the fact that the Quoted figures for the WR1 are up to 20% down. where as we are seeing better results from the same engine on the Spec C.
The Spec C is a Jap Import.


I will provide a graph from a standard WRX or STi8 for everyone to compare.

THis Sunday is the Scoobycity Rolling Road at Clives.

Looking at the list, there dosent seem to be many standard UK cars.

Leave it to me though

1. robharris
2. The Black Sheep
3. Banzai Bob
4. Woody1
5. DannyBoy
6. big dave (about 1.30-2pm)
7. Diggler
8. Neil (LPS) should be ready by then
9. MichaelH
10. Gratz (possibly)
11. bvm
12. Buff
13. Charlie
14. Ali - (BVM's mate)
15. Mr Scooby
16. Matt
17. wezwrx
18. Tonyswrx (At end of day in Pug)
19. modmaddad (dependent on arrival of scoob!!)
20. Edmondo
21. TurboSi
22. TK-WRX
23. shifty ( maybe )
24. Nomad (Exhaust done )
25. si
26. lou
27. scoobydoo2

Spectating:

1. Brian ( i dont want the Trophy for a Second year) ill be making a documentary of the event for DVD
2. Tubs
3. Fidd
4. Jimmywrx
5. nunuwrx
6. IRBaboon
7. J-Scoob
8. sti joy
9. Money
10. Ragnarock
11. daveb
12. Scooby Princess
13. Iceman
14. noo noo
15. Madenglishman (Skyline not ready yet)
16. scrappy (to watch, listen, eat burgers and make the place look untidy)
17. Mark (unsure about goin on jus yet)


This car was on the rollers first before the WR1s


284 bhp @ 6955 and 286lbs ft torque @ 4685 shown at a speed on the chart of 124mph
the car is fitted with PPP but with TSL Motorsport exhaust (not full decat still got PPP downpipe fitted) and green panel filter other than that its pretty standard.

Scooby Lee wrote:

D3ave wrote:Also trying to understand why ALL the wr1s were down on torque while a spec c ad sti were up on quoted figures

Same rollers same cold day same equipment same operators

Dave

The Spec C and that STi don't have any Subaru book figures..............the Spec C is a remapped Jap and the STi is somewhat modified!!

How do you know their results weren't low? You have no real benchmark!

the only map change on the spec'c' is for uk fuel at the moment......

Tuscan57 wrote:

Scooby Lee wrote:

D3ave wrote:Also trying to understand why ALL the wr1s were down on torque while a spec c ad sti were up on quoted figures

Same rollers same cold day same equipment same operators

Dave

The Spec C and that STi don't have any Subaru book figures..............the Spec C is a remapped Jap and the STi is somewhat modified!!

How do you know their results weren't low? You have no real benchmark!

the only map change on the spec'c' is for uk fuel at the moment......

who did the reamp mate ?

Brian wrote:
who did the reamp mate ?

litchfield does all of his cars..... but dare say it would be power station that actually do it........

Just a question here.. Who carries out the re mapping at Power Station ? does anyone know ?

Is it Richard someone?