RR day SATURDAY 28 APRIL @ WRC Silverstone.CONFIRMED..

[Dream]

THanks mike for organising the RR day, really enjoyed it

the results was not near what i was hoping...

BUT

i made 10lbft+ extra torque

RR on March - 354bhp 347lbft





Today @ WRC Tech Silverstone

332bhp 357lbft




sorry for leaving early as i got something else to do
Nice to meet some of you. hope to see you lots again.


thanks
Kevin

[SPIKE LIKE MIKE]

Great turn out hopefully this will generate a bit more ontrest in future events-I think everybody ended up on the rollers aswell

Was good to see some familiar face and meet some new ones ,

Great to see some of the Herst Subaru's along aswell - maybe another joint meet soon (Dan-your now mr events -that's my 1 for this year )

Great job Robin on finding the pub-good choice

On the figures front from what I saw most were "down" on previous RR days??But as explained sometimes (dont know how)tuners are generous??

My own figs were as follows TRL(the racing line)
WRC(WRC technologes):

Bhp:
TRL 305bhp atw = 401-402 afw = 386 at the roller
WRC 292bhp atw = 385-386 afw = 369 at the roller

Torque:
TRL 386ft/lb
WRC 380ft/lb

So down slightly but not drastically .

Studying the graphs though they are almost identical in curve/shape.

Pics anyone

[danr55]

great turn out today, good to meet new faces and catch up with old friends.

i have some theories about the figures, which I shall create a long post about later

[smudga]

Well a great day, thanks Mike for organising it, nice to meet some new people.

I was pleased with the result, not knowing what output the car had. Came in with 307bhp & 320 lbft not bad in standard trim.

Think suspension is first mod on the list .... certainly after that run out for lunch...and trying to keep up with Wozza & Mike on the way back, especially at the end of the A507 & under the A1

A few piccies..........................












....and a 500ish bhp job that was there

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[SPIKE LIKE MIKE]

great turn out today, good to meet new faces and catch up with old friends.

i have some theories about the figures, which I shall create a long post about later

Tell us more.........

Gre pics Smudga...anyone else gotr pics?

[Weltmeister]

Dan
I look forward to reading your theory. The figures are what they are. On the day we had standard cars running standard numbers, we also had 3 x cars that had been on our rollers previously, deliver numbers within 1-2% of the original numbers, two of these had faults. [1 x thermostat & 1 x Boost solenoid] The 3rd car ran within 2 BHP at 373 vs original 375 this is less than 1% ???

So if anyone had numbers that they were unhappy with or lower than on another day at different rollers, either the car was down on the day, the other rollers were more generous or they were just told porkies by the tuner who did the work.

I did make mention of one tuner who has a dedicated fan for top mount intercoolers, which is all well & good, however Martins car still has a top mount and runs 373 to 375 in front of our very eyes without a dedicated fan for top mounts ? So dispelling the myth that such a device is reqd.

Allan

[Robocop]

I wish I could have gone to this, but I had to work yesterday morning.
Looks like it was a great day as well.

Kevin

[presa900]

Thanks for a great day everyone, it was good to finally meeting up with you all, a top bunch of people, nice to feel welcome

Good to see everyone getting on the rollers in the morning, I was chuffed with 315bhp from my standard 1, only problem is I think I might have the engine modding bug now and I'm not sure of a cure

The run over to the pub was spot on, a special thanks to spikey for organising it all, looking forward to future meets, thanks again guys and here are a few more pics from the day

[WR 1mposter]

Top day people

It was worth all of the 600 mile round trip

And some cracking pics aswell

Thanx to Spike for organising


And to Robin for the back lane drive to the pub for lunch

[Azyman]

cool day

nice drive up there

well pleased with my 330 BHP as i didnt know it was done so good result from the main dealer [not often that happens]

you could defo blow some cash in that place all the add-ons and the knowledge at the WRC place good thing as well if you spend

[SPIKE LIKE MIKE]

shame we couldnt go to pub with you all thing is if i start on the beer i would have to sleep up there [no will power]

You had better put your name down for the next weekend/overnight meet mate You seem to have the qualifications that are required

[Scooby Lee]

Now, if someone organises an event and they manage to get me to come along, then they deserve all the praise in the world!

As some of you may have noticed, I'm a bit of a recluse.

......That's why I like to drive understated cars!

[SPIKE LIKE MIKE]

Now, if someone organises an event and they manage to get me to come along, then they deserve all the praise in the world!

As some of you may have noticed, I'm a bit of a recluse.

......That's why I like to drive understated cars!

You gotta start coming out mate,

I feel like a tomato in a bowl of lemons at the meets these days

[Anders_WR1]

Finally...my broadband is back to life.

Great day out lads especially that run to the pub

Still scratching my head about my figures 318bhp / 310lbft. Don't understand why my boost gauge reads 1.5 BAR and the plot only shows 1.1 BAR . I know Defi's overread by 0.1 BAR but 0.4?!!

I'll get the gauges checked out and also I'll find someone with a Wideband Lamda to see what the on the road figures for fueling are like.

I suppose 318bhp ain't to bad at 1.1BAR, should make more like 350bhp when it's running at 1.4

Anders

[danr55]

Finally...my broadband is back to life.

Great day out lads especially that run to the pub

Still scratching my head about my figures 318bhp / 310lbft. Don't understand why my boost gauge reads 1.5 BAR and the plot only shows 1.1 BAR . I know Defi's overread by 0.1 BAR but 0.4?!!

I'll get the gauges checked out and also I'll find someone with a Wideband Lamda to see what the on the road figures for fueling are like.

I suppose 318bhp ain't to bad at 1.1BAR, should make more like 350bhp when it's running at 1.4

Anders

i think the fact you kept up with me an pooster on the run back says it all mate

[WR 1mposter]

Now, if someone organises an event and they manage to get me to come along, then they deserve all the praise in the world!

As some of you may have noticed, I'm a bit of a recluse.

......That's why I like to drive understated cars!

Lee

I/We would all love to meet you and the family and if a toned downed meet would surpass then let it be so ....Minehead for a weekend is not too far, lets do BUTLINS fpmsl

[WR 1mposter]

Finally...my broadband is back to life.

Great day out lads especially that run to the pub

Still scratching my head about my figures 318bhp / 310lbft. Don't understand why my boost gauge reads 1.5 BAR and the plot only shows 1.1 BAR . I know Defi's overread by 0.1 BAR but 0.4?!!

I'll get the gauges checked out and also I'll find someone with a Wideband Lamda to see what the on the road figures for fueling are like.

I suppose 318bhp ain't to bad at 1.1BAR, should make more like 350bhp when it's running at 1.4

Anders

i think the fact you kept up with me an pooster on the run back says it all mate

At the end of the day if your happy with the way your car drives then thats the end of it !

If your not then seek a solution

Everycar there on Saturday has figures to relate to on power graphs,but its the drive of the car that keeps you happy

Me I want more

[Houdini]

GUTTED!!! I really wanted to be there

I'm really glad you all had a great day, and this vindicates the site's presence - - it's all about the people

[Anders_WR1]

Finally...my broadband is back to life.

Great day out lads especially that run to the pub

Still scratching my head about my figures 318bhp / 310lbft. Don't understand why my boost gauge reads 1.5 BAR and the plot only shows 1.1 BAR . I know Defi's overread by 0.1 BAR but 0.4?!!

I'll get the gauges checked out and also I'll find someone with a Wideband Lamda to see what the on the road figures for fueling are like.

I suppose 318bhp ain't to bad at 1.1BAR, should make more like 350bhp when it's running at 1.4

Anders

i think the fact you kept up with me an pooster on the run back says it all mate

I'll be interested to see what the real boost pressure is when I get a second opinion. Need to find someone with a boost gauge and a length of pipe to run to the cabin.

Like Martin says - it's how it drives that counts, but it would be great to have good figures and a rocket on the road

Anders

[marky mark]

lets have a list then of what everyones car did?

(particularly interested in yours Dan)

Anders, do you not have a boost gauge? or are you worried that the one you have is not correct?

I would tend to trust a dyno dynamics copmared to PS's Maha as regards to true on the road figures but a lot of cars do not spool correctly on dyno dynamics and don't always reach the boost they achieve on the road.

[Anders_WR1]

lets have a list then of what everyones car did?

(particularly interested in yours Dan)

Anders, do you not have a boost gauge? or are you worried that the one you have is not correct?

I would tend to trust a dyno dynamics copmared to PS's Maha as regards to true on the road figures but a lot of cars do not spool correctly on dyno dynamics and don't always reach the boost they achieve on the road.

I've got a Defi boost guage fitted, but while it was reading 1.5 BAR on the Dyno (me watching in passanger seat), the plot shows a peak of 1.1BAR. Chris from WRC Tech suggested the boost gauges might have been plumbed in to the wrong place, as he was measuring pressure from the inlet manifold. Do you know where the Defi's are plumbed in as standard?

Btw my figures at Powerstation were 332 bhp, and the Dyno Dynamics showed 318bhp.

I'm going to test my Defi's and check Lamda independantly from PS or WRC Tech, then I can see what the next step is.

Cheers

Anders

[WR 1mposter]

List of figures

1. Martin - 373bhp/350lbft down on previous rr figures at wrc by 3/15
2.

[marky mark]

you can plumb them in anywhere thats sensing manifold pressure. The normal place is to T into one of the existing vacuum hoses leading from the manifold.

What bar does it give on the maha dyno at PS.

[Anders_WR1]

you can plumb them in anywhere thats sensing manifold pressure. The normal place is to T into one of the existing vacuum hoses leading from the manifold.

What bar does it give on the maha dyno at PS.

PS plot, a fairly steady 1.4 BAR:

[SPIKE LIKE MIKE]

List of figures

1. Martin - 373bhp/350lbft down on previous rr figures at wrc by 3/15
2.Spike - 386bhp/380ft/lb down on TRL 402/386ft/lb -both worked on 24% loss rule from atw.

As pooster says if your happy with your car

This is the usual RR debate

At the end of the day 320 as opposed to 380 bhp on the road or down lanes is not goiong to be very apparent - over 20 laps on a track you will notice it as a difference of 1 second a lap adds up over time. Bhp/Torque =pub talk,

By the way my grandad is bigger than yours......

[Anders_WR1]

List of figures

1. Martin - 373bhp/350lbft down on previous rr figures at wrc by 3/15
2.Spike - 386bhp/380ft/lb down on TRL 402/386ft/lb -both worked on 24% loss rule from atw
3. Anders - 318/310lbft

[smudga]

List of figures

1. Martin - 373bhp/350lbft down on previous rr figures at wrc by 3/15
2.Spike - 386bhp/380ft/lb down on TRL 402/386ft/lb -both worked on 24% loss rule from atw.
3. Anders - 318/310lbft
4. Smudga - 307bhp / 320 lbft, Std JDM 2.0 litre STi..not up or down as never been on rollers before

[SPIKE LIKE MIKE]

List of figures

1. Martin - 373bhp/350lbft down on previous rr figures at wrc by 3/15
2.Spike - 386bhp/380ft/lb down on TRL 402/386ft/lb -both worked on 24% loss rule from atw. (but I dont count as I dont have a WR1 )
3. Anders - 318/310lbft
4. Smudga - 307bhp / 320 lbft, Std JDM 2.0 litre STi..not up or down as never been on rollers before

[presa900]

List of figures

1. Martin - 373bhp/350lbft down on previous rr figures at wrc by 3/15
2.Spike - 386bhp/380ft/lb down on TRL 402/386ft/lb -both worked on 24% loss rule from atw. (but I dont count as I dont have a WR1 )
3. Anders - 318/310lbft
4. Smudga - 307bhp / 320 lbft, Std JDM 2.0 litre STi..not up or down as never been on rollers before
5. Presa - 315/301lbft, no engine mods first time on rollers

[WR1 Bro]

At the end of the day 320 as opposed to 380 bhp on the road or down lanes is not goiong to be very apparent

You twat Spike... 60 bhp is easily noticeable!!